Friday 25 January 2019 17:31, UK
There were some strong words on The Cricket Debate from Charles Colvile, Bob Willis and Vikram Solanki after England suffered another batting collapse away from home as they were bowled out for 77, the lowest-ever Test total in Barbados, on day two of the first Test against Windies.
The collapse compounded the mistake the visitors made with their selection by leaving Stuart Broad out for a second spinner in Adil Rashid, according to Bob.
And, he added that England are lacking top-quality batsmen, with the exception of Joe Root, and their unsettled top three is not helping matters.
However, while Vikram admitted it was a poor showing with the bat he did not think it was not for a lack of trying or personal preparation by the batsmen.
The conversation moved to the lack of quality warm-up matches that away teams are afforded ahead of Tests - with Charles noting that Australia will play Australia A as their warm-up match in England ahead of this summer's Ashes.
Following an exceptional day with the ball for all four of Windies' premier pace bowlers the question was asked as to whether we are witnessing the return of the good old days of the '80s when Michael Holding, Malcolm Marshall and Joel Garner came steaming in.
Despite perhaps lacking the ferocity of those former great players and sides of the past, Bob called Kemar Roach 'irresistible' following his five-wicket haul and hailed the bowling unit as a whole.
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